Chris Rufo is known as an anti-woke crusader. His critics say he’s a villain who invents culture wars.

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As a reporter, Rufo discovered that critical race theory is being taught in schools, and some teachers are forced to take white privilege training.

Yet The New Yorker says he “invented the conflict over critical race theory.”

Rufo seems to enjoy the criticism.

Now Rufo has real power in Florida because Gov. Ron DeSantis made him a trustee of a public university.

I ask Rufo about that, and whether he and DeSantis are “authoritarians” in our full interview.